{The List} Religion

[Tassadar500]

Can you turn off all nuclear weapons, because you believe that they shouldn't be used?

[MartynC]

Originally posted by Nuclear Master
Can you turn off all nuclear weapons, because you believe that they shouldn't be used?

Good point. The question then becomes, where do yuo draw the line?

[Naokaukodem]

IMO religion should appear sooner in the game under various forms like occultism. they are the way to think the universe, and the cradle of all civilizations if you ask me.

Also it could have a greater importance in the game. Different religions could give the player different type of cities, and also vary parameters like culture, happiness, production, foreign relations as a cultural power also or subsequence of military power. In fact they could separate the world in as many parts as religions, independantly of civilizations and/or countries, and be a domain of battle in itself. They may be linked with politics and religions politics anyway so that they would be unique for each country/civilization and alliances, but I think that they should be more representative thna in civ3 (and others) indeed, a greater mark of dispute, a greater cause of war and gameplay, in a more religious-related interface and events.

Last but not least, religion should have to be linked with psychology in some way at a time (modern ages), and could really be a great weapon in itself, if not the main, just like the 11 september or the irak invasion. Each religions would have its particular war possibilities, i.e. Christianism improved cultural convertion, Protestantism (?) better media or corruption and rebellion (?) and some other random a better sense of quick harrasment.

to sum up: religion to be a harder center of the game and gameplay and a harder extension of the game and gameplay also.

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Wernazuma III
Beside anything else, I'd like to state that I don't like the temple-->cathedral succession. Not only that I always find it odd when playing Aztecs or Arabs, to build "cathedrals", it's also weird that you HAVE to have a temple to build a cathedral, when I think that in many cases when churches (or mosques) were built, temples were destroyed...

temples could be thought as flexible "basic religious houses", like chapels/churches, mosques, shrines, etc., while cathedrals stand for the bigger religious buildings...

it makes sence as usually cathedrals are in centres and less common than a regular church which you can find in nearly every city.


considering religion: the perfect tech in the future era: "the unified belief" (can also be no belief) which gets rid of all religious based acts of agression

[Addled Platypus]

considering religion: the perfect tech in the future era: "the unified belief" (can also be no belief) which gets rid of all religious based acts of agression [/QUOTE]


I will leave for Iraq now and spread the word

[sabrewolf]

i didn't just mean islamic terror... also israel-palestine, the north irish conflict, india-pakistan, etc. and from the past all the other bad stuff like crusades

after all... all major (non-asian) religions are based on the same idea: a single god, similar moral standards and ideas, etc. it's only the interpretation of the various churches, patriarchs, etc. that trigger hate and intolerance...

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
after all... all major (non-asian) religions are based on the same idea: a single god, similar moral standards and ideas, etc. it's only the interpretation of the various churches, patriarchs, etc. that trigger hate and intolerance...

Asian beliefs often do the same thing, they just have a better press. Just have a look on what the "World Hindu Council" frequently says and take a look on militant nationalist buddhist leaders in Sri Lanka, by negotiators often called the real obstacle to an agreement.

[sabrewolf]

i no too little about asian religions, so i didn't say too much. but afaik hinduism isn't monotheistic. and i associate buddha more with a prophet and philosopher than a god.

but then again... what do i know

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
i no too little about asian religions, so i didn't say too much. but afaik hinduism isn't monotheistic. and i associate buddha more with a prophet and philosopher than a god.

but then again... what do i know

Right, but then again, not all non-asian religions are monotheistic either. And I merely wanted to point out that monotheistic religions don't have a monopoly on religious violence.
And with Buddhe: Generally you're right, but that doesn't mean that he weren't worshipped like a god in many regions. There is a polytheistic buddhism (including or excluding Buddha as god), monotheistic buddhism (also sometimes more or less equaling Buddha with God) and also atheistic buddhism. Don't ask me for details though, I never really digged through this religious world

[Lawrence of Arabia]

maybe have like religious borders kinda like cultural border, but make sure it doesnt get too confusing.

[Master Zen]

I think adding "religion" would add unnecessary complexity to the game, I would much rather the game be based on ethnicity as the basis for culture than religion. Of course, the traditional religious improvements should be included.

[Tassadar500]

MZ, it is now known religion will be in Civ IV for a fact.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Nuclear Master
MZ, it is now known religion will be in Civ IV for a fact.

Allah ackbar

[Addled Platypus]

Hopefully its an option to use/not use


I am willing to try it once to see the difference

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by Nuclear Master
Can you turn off all nuclear weapons, because you believe that they shouldn't be used?

Well, if it's easy to edit like Civ2, all you have to do is change the tech tree a bit. Or the Wonders so a certain one isn't available to build.